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 Post subject: Toyota recall
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:43 am 
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I personally think this is being blown way out of proportion. And now today the US Transport Sec is telling people who are effected to stop driving their cars. I personally think it is the US Media causing this story to be larger than the problem really is.

Its a very very small percentage of the cars being effected and it should be common knowledge if it were to happen to throw the car in N, turn off the car, or stand on the brakes.

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there's a huge thread on nasioc about this. when i suggested that people told me the car is not allowed to shift to n during high speeds. that the brakes werent strong enough, that the push button off doesnt work at those speeds............ a bunch of miserable fails by toyota. and i hope toyota gets sued to hell for it..

so glad my dad didnt buy a new lexus

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I just hope this doesn't effect the FT-86 arrival. The success of that car may spark Subaru to launch their version, which would be a their first sporty hatch coupe since the SVX.

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Wow who ever said you can't shift it into N is a complete idiot!! and the brakes are strong enough. People are dumd and stupid! the media needs to be censored big time!

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i tried it all in my mom's new land cruiser after reading all of that right now. You can shift into neutral at WOT up until 60 (which is when i stopped lol, but i'm sure it can keep doing it). The brakes also slow the car at WOT, but i didn't try the start button. Too busy of a road. I can't believe a company as large as toyota can't manage to fix a mechanically sticking brake pedal. Seriously? I would be more understanding if it was a glitch in the ecu and the electronic throttle control, but the pedal mechanism is sticking? WTF? Some of the best and brightest automotive engineers in the world aren't able to keep a gas pedal from sticking?

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota recall
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there are over 9,000 camrys that have been recalled because of this between i-215 and the north end of slc. that doesnt count any other models.

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It's karma. Toyota produced the prius. This is their punishment.


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first the floor mats, now this? I thought toyota was supposed to be safe and all. Good thing we went honda, then.

And if I may discuss the ft-86 thing, i believe subaru should not make it. I'd rather have an impreza coupe, or an impreza hybrid, personally. Subaru + rear-wheel-drive sports car just doesn't go together in my head.

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It's karma. Toyota produced the prius. This is their punishment.

haha, so true! I think they are due for some critisism instead of praise.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota recall
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i hate the media... they will jump on anything and anyone, then blow it up ten fold to get their story big. oh my god a recall?!?! what?!? Toyota's done for!!

American made cars have manly recalls... our **** just catches on fire
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 Post subject: Re: Toyota recall
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hta is so true! Try ford for example.. many of recalls due to fire hazards.. oh lets not forget jeep and dodge. there heated seated can and will light on fire with you on it.

Pondure that one for a little.

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yeah but american cars have a reputation to break. toyotas dont. you buy an american car you expect recalls. you buy a toyota you expect godlike reliability.

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now it's honda, too. god, the very fabric of existence is unraveling around us.

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Now that is some scary stuff right there! I would be parking my ride for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota recall
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how I see it is that its situations that have never been problem and used to be silent recalls are now being blown out of proportion. the honda recall is because of 12 incidents. the latest prius (and i hate the prius) problems are from 10 incidents out of the 30,000 incidents the NHSTA receives a YEAR for all manufacturers.

a few years ago there was a HUGE 10 million Ford recall that was no way this big. It was on the news for 1-2 days and that was it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/autom ... ECALL.html

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AFTER six recalls to correct problems with millions of Ford Motor Company cruise-control switches blamed for almost 1,500 fires, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration took an unusual step. In February, it issued a consumer advisory urging owners whose vehicles had not yet been fixed to have the switches disconnected immediately.

“Vehicles are continuing to catch fire and buildings are continuing to catch fire because the remedy hasn’t been effected yet,” Rae Tyson, a spokesman for the safety agency, said. “This is a defect that could possibly have dire consequences, and we wanted to do what we could to try to make people more aware of the need to get vehicles back to the dealer quickly — if not for the permanent remedy, at least for a short-term remedy.”

The recalls — which included what the government called a recall of a recall — began in 1999. They covered some 10 million Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles from 1992-2004, a record number recalled for a single problem.

Ford had already set the record for the largest recall, which also involved a potential fire hazard. That was for 7.9 million vehicles with ignition switch problems.

The agency’s February advisory concerned a cruise-control deactivation switch that could develop a short circuit.

Regulators say that could cause a vehicle to catch fire even while it is parked and the ignition is off. The switch’s function is to cut off the cruise control when the driver taps the brakes.

The safety administration says it can connect 65 fires to switch failures, but the problem could be far greater: the agency received 1,472 complaints or allegations of engine compartment fires related to the switches before the investigation was closed in August 2006. Because investigators were often unable to contact owners, not enough data could be collected to make a final determination on many complaints. The agency also received 60 more fire complaints since the inquiry ended.

The agency has not linked switch failures to any deaths, but at least three wrongful death suits have been filed against Ford.

The February advisory stated that many dealers would disconnect the switch as a “drive-through” service for customer convenience — an interim step until parts are more available.

An auto safety advocate, Clarence Ditlow, said the consumer advisory was “too little, too late” and illustrated a more serious problem: the need for the agency to offer more protection to consumers by changing the way it handles such safety problems.

Instead of allowing Ford to string out the recalls over almost a decade, the agency should have required a recall of all the vehicles at the beginning, said Mr. Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety in Washington.

Ford and the federal safety agency said the recall came in stages because in 1998, when the investigation began, it was not clear why the switch was failing — especially since the problem was occurring in some models and not in others. “There is no need to recall a vehicle for which there is no problem,” Mr. Tyson said.

But as the vehicles using this switch aged, failure rates started to increase in certain models. Then, Ford and the agency said, the models were recalled.

“This was one of the most complex and mysterious cases we have ever been involved in,” Mr. Tyson said. “And although we do now understand why the switch was failing, to this day we still have Ford vehicles using that same switch that are not experiencing any unusual level of failure at all.”

The fires are believed to occur this way: over time, applying the brakes creates a bit of vacuum that can cause the failure of a seal in the switch. Brake fluid can then leak into the switch and cause corrosion. Over time, the corrosion can cause the switch, which is powered all the time, to overheat and ignite an electrical fire.

Ford stopped using the switch on 2002 models, Mr. Sherwood said. But the design was inadvertently carried over to some early 2003 models and the 2004 F-150 Lightning.

Mr. Tyson said his agency was unhappy with Ford over the pace of the recalls. “Given the safety implications of this problem, we’d like to see a recall remedy like this move very, very quickly,” he said.

The agency is also disappointed with how few owners have brought in their vehicles for repairs. Only about half of the 10 million vehicles have been fixed. The average completion rate for a recall is around 70 percent. For a problem as serious as this one, the agency would like a 100 percent completion rate, or close to it, Mr. Tyson said.

He also noted that in February Ford “had to do a recall on the recall, ” affecting 225,000 cars and trucks.

These vehicles were fitted with a wiring harness between the cruise control deactivation switch and the speed control unit. It was supposed to cut off electrical current to the switch in case the switch overheated.

In some cases the wiring harness was the right fix for the right vehicle, said Wes Sherwood, a Ford spokesman. But in the majority of cases, it didn’t work because the fuse was positioned on the wrong side of the harness and did not provide the intended protection.

In a smaller number of cases, the dealers installed the wiring harnesses on the wrong vehicles.

Mr. Sherwood said Ford had worked hard to urge consumers to fix their vehicles. “Ford has gone well beyond what’s regulated in communicating with customers,” Mr. Sherwood said. In the case of the earlier recalls, the company sent out four or five mailings, he said.

There were two additional recalls last year: one in March covered 156,000 cars and trucks and one in August was for 3.6 million more vehicles. (Not included in those figures was a recall by Mazda, also in August, of 76,000 1998-2002 B-Series trucks with the same switch.)

He said the pace of repairs had previously been slowed by a parts shortage. If the part was not available, the interim fix was to disconnect the cruise control, but some owners did not want to do this. “We have heard reports of people not wanting the switch disconnected because they don’t want to lose speed-control functionality,” Mr. Sherwood said.

Mr. Sherwood said that because of the comparatively low number of owners who responded to the earlier switch recalls, Ford had not stockpiled enough parts for the “unprecedented demand for repairs last September,” after the August recall.

Mr. Sherwood said that Ford expects to notify customers by May to bring in their cars for full repairs.

Mr. Ditlow said the way the recall dragged out over almost a decade was inexcusable. “This is fundamentally a design flaw, and the earlier ignition-switch recall was the same thing,” Mr. Ditlow said. “It was a powered circuit that was hot at all times, even when the car was parked.”

If there is a design defect, all vehicles with that design should be recalled, Mr. Ditlow said.


and this is another Ford recall that happened last month, but i dont ever remember hearing about it on the news.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-0 ... fires.html

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Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Ford Motor Co.’s recall of more than 500,000 Escape sport-utility vehicles for fire risk from corroded brake parts is under U.S. investigation because some may have ignited even after they were serviced for the flaw.

At least 86 of the 388,500 vehicles serviced so far under the 2007 recall have had “non-crash fire incidents” originating near the anti-lock brake-system part, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on its Web site. Five of those were reported in the past six months, the agency said.

Information provided by the manufacturer suggests that the SUVs were improperly inspected or that electrical grease prescribed in the recall wasn’t applied correctly or at all, the safety agency said.

“There were some service issues with a small number of vehicles,” Jennifer Moore, a spokeswoman at Dearborn, Michigan- based Ford, said today in an interview. “The vast majority of these were not open-flame fires but appear to have involved smoking and/or melted connectors.”

Ellen Martin, a safety agency spokeswoman, didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The recall covered conventional gasoline-powered Escapes from model years 2001 to 2004, following 50 reports of engine fires caused by corroded brake parts. Gasoline-electric hybrid Escapes weren’t included in the recall, Ford said at the time.


this is why the Toyota recalls makes me raise a brow in speculation. If they want to throw imports under the bus to boost the domestic car sales, why dont they report the subarus that have the very dangerous leaky fuel lines that pool fuel and can spill onto the exhaust? and it appears that most dealers dont want to cover that as a warranty issue.

I feel bad for Toyota. The media is using the moment to rub some problems into a company that has had a very clean track record. This is the dirt they can use on Toyota, same as the mistresses for Tiger. They found the flaw theyve been waiting for in a perfect product.

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